In addition to her actual job as one of the planet’s most quickly rising pop artists, Chappell Roan has also taken on a sort of unwanted cultural side hustle: Serving as the vessel for society’s ongoing arguments with itself about how pop stars “should” conduct themselves in public.

On the red carpet for her concert film premiere on Friday, Rodrigo spoke highly of Roan in an interview with Billboard: “She actually gives me so much advice on taking care of myself and being me in an industry that’s so overwhelming sometimes. I really appreciate her. If I give her any advice, I’m not so sure. But I get a lot from her.”